Another matter, “Judah approached him.” It is written: “Like golden apples in silver ornaments [is a well-turned phrase]” (Proverbs 25:11) – Akilas the proselyte translated: Golden apples in silver bowls. “A well-turned phrase [davar davur al ofanav]” – just as the wheel [ofan] shows its face on all sides, so, Judah’s words were deemed logical to all parties when he spoke with Joseph.
Another matter, “Judah approached him.” It is written: “Like deep water is counsel in the heart of a man…” (Proverbs 20:5) – this is analogous to a deep well filled with cold water; its water was cold and good, but no person could drink from it. Someone came and tied rope to rope, thread to thread, and cord to cord, and he drew from it and drank. Everyone began drawing from it and drinking. So, Judah did not relent from responding to Joseph regarding each and every matter, until he touched his heart.